>>> ELIAS CHACOUR IS PALESTINIAN ARCHBISHOP OF GALILEE OF THE MELKITE GREEK CATHOLIC CHURCH.

HE IS A NOTED AUTHOR AND INTERNATIONALLY LAUDED ACTIVIST FOR HIS WORK TO PROMOTE PEACE BETWEEN ARABS AND JEWS IN ISRAEL.

>>> ELIAS MICHAEL CHACOUR WAS BORN IN GALILEE TO A PALESTINIAN CHRISTIAN FAMILY WHO WERE EVICTED FROM THEIR HOME WITH THE REST OF THE VILLAGE DURING THE CREATION OF ISRAEL IN 1947.

CHACOUR WAS CHOSEN TO STUDY AT A SEMINARY IN PARIS AND RETURNED TO ISRAEL AS A PRIEST OF THE MELKITE GREEK CATHOLIC CHURCH.

THERE HE HAS BUILT COMMUNITY CENTERS, LIBRARIES, SCHOOLS, CAMPS AND A COLLEGE THAT WELCOMES STUDENTS, FACULTY AND STAFF OF MOSLEM, CHRISTIAN, DRUZE AND JEWISH FAITHS.

FOR HIS EXCEPTIONAL PEACE BUILDING EFFORTS, CHACOUR HAS RECEIVED NUMEROUS INTERNATIONAL AWARDS INCLUDING THREE NOBEL PEACE PRIZE NOMINATIONS.

HIS POPULAR BOOKS HAVE BEEN TRANSLATED INTO 29 LANGUAGES.

NOW AN ARCHBISHOP, CHACOUR RECENTLY SPOKE AT ST.

MICHAEL'S COLLEGE WHERE HE RECEIVED AN HONORARY DEGREE IN 1989.

IT'S WONDERFUL AND WELCOME AGAIN TO VERMONT.

>> THANK YOU.

>> LET'S GO BACK TO 1947.

YOUR FAMILY AND NEIGHBORS WERE THROWN OUT OF YOUR VILLAGE.

IT WAS EVENTUALLY DESTROYED LEAVING YOU IN A SENSE IN EXILE IN YOUR COUNTRY.

YOU ARE HERE 60 YEARS LATER AND WHY IS IT IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER?

WHY IS IT SO IMPORTANT FOR US TO REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED THERE?

>> IT IS SO IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT AFFECTED ALMOST THE WHOLE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY NEGATIVELY AND POSITIVELY AND A RESULT OF THAT CREATION OF THE STATE OF ISRAEL NOT ANYWHERE BUT IN PALESTINE, PALESTINE THAT WAS IN 1954 THAT WAS BEFORE THE CREATION.

THE PAL TINES AND PAL PAL--PALESTINIANS AND THEY CAME IN THE PART OF THE PALESTINE THAT WAS NOT UNDER THE IMMEDIATE ISRAELI CONTROL OR IN THE BIG WESTERN WORLD BECAUSE OF THE IMMIGRATION THAT IS GOING ON STILL NOW AND FORMING MY MAIN CONCERN AS ARCHBISHOP SEEING MY COMMUNITY LEAVING AND IMMIGRATING AND LEAVING ANYWHERE AND WORLD AND NOT WANT TO GO STAY IN THE TENSION, REJECTION AND MARGINATION.

>> YOU BECAME A PERSON OF ISRAEL.

HOW DO YOU HOLD AS PALESTINIAN AND CITIZENSHIP AS ISRAELI ARAB?

>> THIS IS AN INTERESTING QUESTION AND A QUESTION FOR THE YOUNG PEOPLE WHEN THEY HAVE TO DEFINE THEMSELVES, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY.

THEY ARE PALESTINIANS, ARABS, CHRISTIANS, MUSLIMS AND CITIZENS OF ISRAEL.

HOW COME A PALESTINE IS A CITIZEN OF ISRAEL WHY NOT HE GO HOME.

IS HE ISRAEL OR VICE IS A--VICE IS A VERSE IS A THERE IS SOMETHING WE ARE TRYING TO HAVE HAS A COMPLIMENTTARY RACIAL CONT TRY DICTTORY.

WE TRY TO BUILD WITHIN AND FOR SALVATION AND SURVIVAL FOR THE PALESTINIANS.

>> YOUR BOOK IS CALLED "BLOOD BROTHERS."

>> EXACTLY.

>> YOU CONSIDER THEM TO BE BLOOD BROTHERS.

>> THIS IS WHAT I LEARNED FROM MY FATHER BEFORE ISRAEL WAS CREATED.

CHILDREN WILL RECEIVE JEWISH SOLDIERS IN OUR VILLAGE.

THESE ARE NOT ANY PEOPLE THESE ARE SURVIVORS OF A PLAN AND GERMANS AND LUCKY ENOUGH SOME ESCAPED AND COMING HERE.

WE HAVE TO SHOW THEM THAT SOMEWHERE ON THIS PLANET THEY ARE WELCOME AND WE ARE PALESTINIANS WHO THINK SO AND FATHER SAID WE HAVE TO WELCOME THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE OUR BLOOD BROTHERS.

WE PRIDE OURSELVES OF BEING CHILDREN OF IRAQI CITIZEN CALLED ABRAHAM.

THAT'S WHY IDAHO CALLED "BLOOD BROTHERS".

>> WHEN YOU WERE FORCED TO LEAVE YOUR VILLAGE, HOW DID IT FEEL TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE?

>> WE WERE NOT FORCED.

THE SOLDIERS USED OUR HOUSES AND WE STOOD ON THE ROOFS OF OUR HOUSES.

GALILEE'S CAN SLEEP ON THE ROOF.

DON'T TRY THAT HERE.

AFTER THE OFFICER OF THE ARMY BEGGED THE HEADS OF FAMILY TO LEAVE.

THEY HAD TO LEAVE FOR TWO WEEKS.

AND THE AMERICANS PROMISED THAT WE WOULD TURN BUT THE TWO WEEKS WERE NOT FINISHED.

NOW AFTER 60 YEARS, WE DID NOT KNOW THAT WE WERE BEING REDUCED TO REFUSE--REFUGEES AND PEOPLE WITHOUT A LAND AND A TRAGIC SITUATION.

>> THAT IS STILL ONGOING?

>> EXACTLY.

>> YOU WERE THE YOUNGEST OF SIX CHILDREN, WHY WERE YOU CHOSEN TO GO TO SCHOOL?

>> BECAUSE HIGHLY HE ELDEST BROTHERS DID NOT ACCEPT TO BECOME PRIVATE.

MY FATHER WANTED HIS CHILDREN TO BECOME PRIEST.

I WAS THE YOUNGEST AND HE INVITED ME TO THE BISHOP AND HE TOOK ME TO BOARDING SCHOOL.

THEN AFTER EIGHT YEARS IN BOARDING SCHOOL I WAS SENT TO PARIS TO STUDY TO PREPARE FOR MY OR DID IDINATOIN.

>> DID YOU TAKE TO THIS CALLING?

>> I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANT.

MY FATHER WANTED ME TO BE A PRIEST.

I THOUGHT THIS MIGHT BE THE BEST WAY TO RESTORE THE BROKEN DIGNITY OF MY PEOPLE IN ISRAEL AND RESHAPE THE EQUAL BETWEEN THE ISRAELI JEWS AND PALESTINIAN ARABS.

AND I SOON DISCOVERED THIS WAS BEST WAY TO SPEND MY LIFE SERVING GOD AND SERVING MY PEOPLE.

>> AS YOU HAVE.

YOU WERE SENT TO A VERY SMALL TOWN OF IBILLIN.

YOU WERE SENT TO A UNIVERSITY IN.

>>> --IN JERUSALEM.

>> I NEVER REGRETTED THAT HARD TIME IN DECISION.

I WAS SENT TO ONE MONTH TO IBILLIN.

THE BISHOP PROMISED AFTER ONE MONTH HE WOULD CONSIDER MY FINAL ASSIGNMENT.

I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THEY HAD A SHORT MEMORY.

MY BISHOP FORGOT ME AND I FORGOT MYSELF AND I SERVED 38 YEARS AND WAITED FOR ONE MONTH TO ENDED IN NEVER ENDED.

ONE DAY MY BENEFICIARY CHOP CALLED ME AND SAID ELIAS CHACOUR YOU ARE YOUNG, YOU CAN STUDY.

I RECEIVED MANY FROM THE GIANTS --UNIVERSITY AND THEN THEY TRIED TO BRING IN JOHN DAMASCUS AND THEY KNOW SO WELL AND I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT I TRIED TO CHANGE THE DISCUSSION.

I WANTED MY PRIEST TO KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON.

HE HAS TO TELL YOU ALL THE TOPICS AND TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS THAT WITH THE JEWS AND TO LOOK INTO THEIR EYES AND SAY I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN.

>> THAT SERVED YOU WELL, I IMAGINE.

>> IT SERVED ME PERFECTLY AND AMAZING WELL.

THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME I WAS IN TOUCH WITH THE JEWS, NOT THE IDEA OF JEWS, OR THE SOLDIERS OR THE GOVERNMENT.

BUT THE CENTRAL HUMAN BEING AND JEWS AND UNIVERSITY.

I TOLD SO MANY STORIES THAT HAPPENED TO ME WHILE I WAS THERE BECAUSE I WAS CURIOSITY.

I WAS A FIRST ARAB AND FIRST PRETTY AND A CRAZY PRETTY WHO HAD CHILDREN TO STUDY BIBLE AND JEWS HESITATE TO TAKE AND REFUSE TO TAKE.

I LEARNED A LOT FROM THAT, A LOT OF GOOD THINGS, A LOT OF NOT GOOD THINGS.

>> AND WAYS TO ARGUE I'M SURE.

YOU RETURNED TO IBILLIN A TOWN WHEN YOU FIRST WENT THERE FOR THE MONTH OF NO ELECTION ELECTION--ELECTRICITY, NO ROADS, NO PHONE.

>> NO WATER.

>> NO WATER?

>> YEAH.

>> IT IS VERY, VERY DIFFERENT NOW.

TELL ME HOW MUCH THIS TOWN HAS CHANGED.

MUCH, I'M SURE, GIVEN TO THE SCHOOLS YOU HAVE BUILT THERE.

>> WHEN I WENT TO IBILLIN I EXPECTED TO FIND A BEDROOM, AN OFFICE, SOMEWHERE TO WORK TO SLEEP.

IN FACT I FOUND MYSELF FACING A REALITY WHERE I HAD ONLY WHAT I BROUGHT WITH ME A BAG.

I HAD SLEEP IN THAT BAG FOR SIX MONTHS.

IT WAS OKAY.

I WAS NOT SO BIG AS I AM NOW, YEAH.

>> THAT WASN'T THE '60s.

>> WHEN YOU BECOME A PRIEST AND WORST WHEN YOU BECOME A BISHOP YOU TEND TO PUT ON AND ON WEIGHT.

I DON'T KNOW WHY.

THAT'S THE FACT.

NOBODY KNOWS WHY.

SO I HAD TO STAY THERE FOR SIX MONTHS.

THAT WAS HARD TIME.

THE VILLAGE COUNTED ALMOST 4,500 INHABITANTS.

I TRIED TO WORK TO GET TO THE PEOPLE.

THE FIRST PROJECT I INITIATED WAS TO RESTORE THE DESTROYED MOSQUE OF THE VILLAGE THAT WAS DESTROYED BY LIGHTING.

SO I WORKED LOCALLY AND REPAIRED THE MOSQUE.

MEANWHILE I INVITED THE MUSLIMS TO COME IN PLAY IN THE CHURCH.

WHAT ARE YOU CRAZY?

DO YOU MEAN IT?

I SAID I MEAN IT.

WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN YOU PRAY DO YOU CURSE GOD OR BLESS HIM?

THEY SAID I BLESS HIM.

I SAID I DON'T BLESS HIM BETTER THAN YOU.

>> THE VAST MAJORITY YOU SERVE IS MUSLIM AND JEWS AND DRUZES AND CHRISTIAN.

WHAT IS THE RELIGION THAT YOU WANT TO GIVE AND RECEIVE FROM?

>> I WOULD RATHER REPLACE THE NAME OF RELIGION BY THE ROLE OF THE RELIGIOUS VALUES, YEAH.

AND WE HAVE SO MANY RELIGIOUS--COMMON RELIGIOUS VALUES BETWEEN CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS AND JEWS.

AND IF WE TRY TO BUILD UP ON THE VALUES, WE WILL BE REFUSED TO BE DIVIDED BECAUSE OF WHAT IS NOT COMMON VALUES.

GO FROM COMING SLOWLY BUILT UP FROM STONE TO STONE AND COME FROM THE ROOF YOU CAN FIX IT YOU WILL NOT DESTROY THE ROOF.

YOU WILL FIND A WAY TO FIX THE ROOF.

>> IS THAT WHY THE PEOPLE COME TO YOUR SCHOOLS?

ARE THESE PEOPLE FROM MANY DIFFERENT RELIGIONS WHO WANT THEIR CHILDREN-- >> THIS IS ONE OF THE REASON THAT I CONTINUALLY SAID TO THE STUDENTS THAT I GATHERED IN FRONT OF ME IN THE PARK IN FRONT OF THE SCHOOL IS THE ONLY PLACE WE CAN GATHER.

I TOLD YOU YOU MUSLIMS AND JEWS.

YOU ARE NOT ACCEPTED HERE OUT OF HERE.

YOU ARE NOT ACCEPTED OUT OF CHRISTIAN CHARITY.

IT'S NOT FOR THE SAKE OF CHRIST THAT I ACCEPT YOU HERE.

IT IS BECAUSE I LEARNED AND I AM CONVINCED THAT YOU ARE LOVEABLE AS YOU ARE AND I NEED YOU DIFFERENT FROM ME IN ORDER TO RESPECT YOU AND TO GET TO KNOW MYSELF BETTER.

YOU ARE NEEDED.

YOU ARE NOT UNWELCOMED.

YOU ARE WELCOMED AS YOU ARE.

THAT MAKES A BIG IMPACT ON YOUR STUDENTS.

COMING FROM 70 DIFFERENT TOWNS AND VILLAGES FROM ALL OVER ISRAEL.

>> I IMAGINE YOU WANT TO THEM TO BE AMBASSADORS BACK TO THEIR VILLAGES?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

THEY DO IT VERY WELL, VERY WELL.

>> EDUCATION FOR WOMEN AND GIRLS YOU SAID WAS A PRIORITY.

>> THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS I BUILT THE SCHOOL.

I DECIDED TO BUILD IT EVEN AFTER THE DENIAL OF RECEIVED FROM THE AUTHORITIES TO BUILD THE SCHOOL.

I SAID BECAUSE OF THE GIRLS WHO ARE DEPRIVED, I WILL BUILD THE SCHOOL WITHOUT BUILDING PERMIT CASA RA IS--SERRA SERRA.

>> ARE YOU FINDING THAT YOU ARE NOT GETTING ASSISTANCE FROM THE GOVERNMENT OR PERMITS OR ARE YOU SO WELL-KNOWN INTERNATIONALLY THAT THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM NOW?

>> YOU WOULD THINK INTERNATIONAL PEOPLE THEY WILL BE POLITE WITH ME.

I HAVE LEARNED AFTER ALL OF THESE YEARS THAT WE ARE NOT SO MUCH IN THE HOLY LAND AS THE LAND OF PROMISES, THE PROMISE, EMPTY PROMISE.

>> TELL ME ABOUT THE CHRISTIANS.

IN 1965, 12% OF THE POPULATION IN ISRAEL WERE CHRISTIAN.

I'M NOT SURE IF IT WAS MORE OR LESS IN THE 40s.

THAT NUMBER IS DOWN NOW TO MERE 2% IN THE POPULATION.

WHY?

>> 40% OF THE PALESTINIAN POPULATION.

>> SIGNIFICANT DECLINE.

>> EXACTLY.

>> WHAT'S GOING ON?

>> WE DEPLOR THE FACT THAT THE CHRISTIANS ARE CONTINUALLY INCLINED TO LEAVE AND GO ANYWHERE BUT NOT TO STAY IN THIS VERY TENSE SITUATION WHERE THEY ARE ALMOST CAUGHT BETWEEN TWO MAJORITIES, THE MUSLIM AND JEWISH MAJORITY.

AND BOTH MAJORITIES HAVE VERY FANATICAL GROUPS WHO DO NOT HAVE THE IDEA OF CHRISTIANS IN THE LAND AND THEY HAVE TO STRUGGLE.

>> SO THE CHRISTIANS BECOME KIND OF THE ENEMIES?

>> YES, EXACTLY.

WITH YOUR ADMINISTRATION HERE WE HAVE PRODUCED A PRESIDENT WHO SPOKE IN THE NAME OF THE GOD BUT THE FORGOT--BECAUSE HE PLANNED SO SUCH, HE FORGOT HE IS JUST A BUSH.

HIS CLAIMS TO SPEAK IN THE NAME OF GOD REFLECTS ON US VERY BADDELEY.

THEY SAY IF YOU ARE CHRISTIAN AND THESE ARE CHRISTIANS LOOK WHAT HAPPENED IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN OR PALESTINE YOU HAVE TO BE IDENTIFIED WITH HIM OR US.

IF YOU ARE WITH HIM, YOU ARE ENEMY.

ENEMY.. YOU KEEP COMING TO UNITED STATES.

YOU MET WITH SECRETARY BAKER.

WHY DO YOU RETURN HERE?

>> DO YOU THINK ADMINISTRATION EQUALS EVERY AMERICAN CITIZEN.

YOU HAVE SUCH A GENEROUS NATION, AN OPEN-MINDED NATION, A WELCOME NATION.

I LOVE YOUR EDUCATION AS PEOPLE WHO ARE OPEN TO KNOW WHAT THEY DID NOT KNOW SO FAR.

THERE'S A DIFFERENCE I THINK BETWEEN THE AMERICAN COMMUNITIES THE ADMINISTRATION, THE WHITE HOUSE.

THE WHITE HOUSE IS TO SEE--EAGER TO EXPORT WEAPONS AND MONIES AND WE ARE SHOUTING AND CRYING AND PLEADING WITH THEM.

IF YOU WANT TO SHIP ANYTHING, WHY DON'T YOU SHIP EVERY COUNTRY 2,000 COPIES OF YOUR BEAUTIFUL CONSTITUTION.

>> EXCELLENT.

YOU HAVE CERTAINLY EXPERIENCED GOOD AND EVIL.

YOU HAVE BEEN ROUGHED UP BY THE ISRAELI SOLDIERS AND KIDNAPPED BY THE P. L. O. AND WHAT TIPS MEN FROM ONE SIDE TO ANOTHER.

AS AN ARCHBISHOP YOU HAVE STUDIED THIS ALL YOUR LIFE AS WELL.

>> I WAS NOT ALWAYS AN ARCHBISHOP.

I'M JUST THREE YEARS.

>> A MAN OF CHURCH.

>> I WAS CHRISTIAN AND A HUMAN BEING WHO WAS BROUGHT UP TO REJECT ANY KIND, EVERY KIND OF VIOLENCE OR OF LYING.

I WAS BROUGHT UP TO LOOK AT THE OTHER HUMAN BEING AND TO LOOK AT THE FRIEND WHO IS HIBERNATING IN HIS ART TO HAVE THAT HIBERNATING FRIENDSHIP FOR RESPECT AND I WAS BROUGHT UP TO RESPECT OTHERS AND NOT TO SUSPECT THEM.

>> DO WE NEED, THOUGH, TO RECOGNIZE THE KIND OF SHADOW, THE DARK PART OF OURSELVES THAT CAN BECOME EXACTLY WHAT WE SEE IN OUR ENEMIES?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

YOU ARE NEVER AN UNVIOLENT HUMAN BEING.

YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO STRUGGLE AGAINST YOURSELF FIRST AND THEN AGAINST YOUR ENVIRONMENT NOT TO REACT VIOLENTLY TO VIOLENCE.

>> CAN NATIONS DO THAT?

CLEARLY AFTER 60 YEARS, WE ARE NOT IN A BETTER PLACE.

>> BECAUSE WE HAVE TO CHANGE TACTICS OR STRATEGIES FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.

EVERYTHING WAS CREATED LEANING ON WEAPONS AND NOW EVERYTHING IS SURVIVING WITH THE WEAPONS THEY HAVE.

THE LAST WAR WITH LEBANON REALLY DID DESTROY THIS CONVICTION OF THE INVINCABILITY OF THE ISRAELI ARMY AND NO MATTER WHERE AND HOW WHENEVER THERE IS A WAR ISRAEL TO EXPORT IT FROM THE BORDERS.

THIS TIME THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO PROTECT INSIDE IN THE CENTER OF ISRAEL.

THE QUESTION IS IF THERE WILL BE ANOTHER WAR, WHAT KIND OF WAR THAT WILL BE.

WE KNOW THAT EACH WAR HAS BEEN MORE DEVASTATING THAN THE PREVIOUS ONE.

WHAT MORE DEVASTATION CAN HAPPEN TO ISRAEL IF GOD FORBIDS ANOTHER WAR IS IN THE MIDDLE EAST?

WHO WILL SURVIVE?

>> WHAT IS THE HOPE THEN?

>> THE HOPE IS THE QUESTIONS THAT EVERYBODY ASKS.

MILITARY SOLUTIONS HAVE BEEN A BIG FAILURE.

TO LEAN ON MONEY AND TAX AND LOBBY IS NOT ALWAYS THE RIGHT WAY.

YOU NEED TO LOOK ON THE OTHER CAMP, ON THE OTHER MEN WHO IS SUFFERING BECAUSE OF YOUR EXISTENCE WILLING OR UNWILLING.

AND IF YOU CONSIDER THE OTHER AS A HUMAN BEING, YOU WILL LOOK AT HIM AND SEE AND SAY I WILL NEVER HAVE ANY DIGNITY UNLESS I SEE MY DIGNITY ON THE FACE OF MY NEIGHBOR.

>> IT SEEMS THAT IS NEEDED MORE THAN ANYTHING NOW WITH MANY JEWS IN THIS COMMUNITY WORRIED ABOUT A RESURGANS AND HOW CAN WE IN THE UNITED STATES OVERCOME THE PREJUDICES HERE-- >> YOU KNOW AS WELL AS I KNOW NO MAN, NO HUMAN BEING AND NO COUNTRY IS AN ISLAND ISOLATED AND PROTECTED.

WE ARE ALL EXPOSED TO OUR OWN WEAPONS OF OUR FEARS, YEAH.

UNLESS WE USE OTHER WAYS TO AFFIRM OURSELVES, WE MIGHT BE OUR OWN DESTRUCTION WITH AMERICA OR OTHER COUNTRIES.

I MUST HE TELL YOU ANOTHER CHRISTIAN IT SEEMS SOMETIMES MUCH EASIER TO LIVE WITH MUSLIM COUNTRIES THAN WITH LABELED CHRISTIAN COUNTRIES OF THE WEST.

THE JEWS AND IN I DIDN'T EGYPT N AND IRAQ, THEY WERE SO RESPECTED THEY SHARED WITH THEIR NEIGHBORS PROSPERITY AND THERE IS HOPE PROVIDED WE REALIZE THAT WE DO NOT KNOW THE NEED TO GO AND TEACH THEM HOW TO LIVE TOGETHER.

WE NEED TO GO TO THEM AND REMIND THEM HOW THEY USED TO LIVE TOGETHER.

>> IT CAN HAPPEN AGAIN?

>> IT WAS ALWAYS A REALITY AND THIS 60 YEARS OF HOSTILITIES SHOULD BE PUT IN PIECES NOT TO BE THE RULE BUT THE EXCEPTION TO THE RULE.

JEWS AND PALESTINIANS CAN LIVE TOGETHER.

THEY HAD BEEN LIVING TOGETHER FOR CENTURIES AND CENTURIES.

WE NEED SOME KIND OF HUEMILLTY THAT WE ARE NOT SUPERIOR HUMAN BEINGS.

NOBODY CHOSE TO BE BORN AMERICAN, PALESTINIAN OR JEWISH.

WE ARE ALL BORN BABIES.

IT DEPENDS ON WHAT WE HAVE DONE WITH OUR OWN BABIES TO BECOME.

>> YOU CERTAINLY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO--YOU SPEND TIME WITH PEOPLE AT THE LOWEST END OF THE POVERTY-STRICKEN PEOPLE AND AMBASSADORS AND PRESIDENTS, ETCETERA.

>> I HAVE BEEN STRIKEN WITH THE HOMES AND-- >> THIS THIS IS QUITE AWHILE AGO.

THIS STORY IS GOOD.

SECRETARY OF STATE JAMES BACKER, YOU KNOCKED ON HIS HOME.

>> I DECIDED TO POP INTO HIS RESIDENCE WITHOUT AN APPOINTMENT.

TO MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT, WHEN HIS WIFE OPENED THE DOOR HERSELF, SHE WAS EXPECTING ONE MORE AMERICAN LADY AND HERE A MIDDLE EASTERN STRANGE MAN LOOKING.

WHO ARE YOU SHE SAID?

I SAID I AM ANOTHER MAN FROM GALILEE.

FOR CHRISTIANS THAT SOUNDS GREAT.

SHE SAID DO DO YOU HAVE APPOINTMENTS WITH US?

I SAID MEN FROM GALILEE DON'T TAKE APPOINTMENTS, WE TAKE APPEARANCES.

SHE WAS VERY CONFUSED AND AS SHE TOLD ME LATER ON SHE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH ME EITHER TO KICK ME OUT OR LET ME IN.

THE STORY CONTINUES.

>> VERY GOOD.

YOU HAVE A REPUTATION OF BEING OUTSPOKEN AND IN YOUR BOOK YOU TALK ABOUT MAYBE I SHOULD BACK OFF.

OF COURSE IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO MAKE ONE'S VOICE HEARD.

>> IT IS A VERY BIG DECISION WHEN YOU ARE TAKEN BETWEEN TWO LOVES.

WHEN YOU LOVE THE JEWISH PEOPLE AND YOU LOVE THE PALESTINIANS.

YOU HATE WHAT HAS BEEN DONE AGAINST THE JEWS IN EUROPE AND YOU HATE WITH THE SAME POWER WHAT HAS BEEN DONE WITH THE SAME PEOPLE FROM THE JEWISH, YOU SAY YOU WANT TO GIVE UP.

>> ARCHBISHOP ELIAS CHACOUR I'M SORRY WE'RE OUT OF TIME.

YOU GIVE US MORE TO THINK ABOUT.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

>> YOU CAN FIND LYNX--LINKS AT VPT.ORG, I'M FRAN STODDARD.

THANKS FOR JOINING US.

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