gun rights Advocates are back in court this time over a newly published set of mandatory qualifications to get a concealed carry permit in the state many gun owners say the proposed training requirements are too extreme for the average citizen because the standards mirror skills required of active police officers posing a Potential Threat to Second Amendment rights as senior correspondent Brenda Flanagan reports opponents see it as the Attorney General's thinly veiled way to prevent more people from getting guns foreign squeezed off seven shots three standing four kneeling in less than 25 seconds it's one of many requirements on the Attorney General's new interim qualification list for New Jersey Concealed Carry Permits Bishop co-owner of rtsp shooting and training ranges says the list draws too heavily on State Police firearm test standards like kneeling to shoot kneeling is an important component should it be something that they have to qualify uh with like law enforcement probably not Misha served as a cop in Montclair and a U.S army Sergeant he says most firing ranges don't even have Breakaway barriers that would allow Shooters to kneel and not everyone can kneel we also have handicap issues we have people in wheelchairs we have uh people are missing lamb limbs you have one-legged people that may not be able to to do that should it disqualify them from their Second Amendment right probably not from a civilian perspective I think it pushes a little too hard rtsb co-owner Rick Friedman agrees before the Attorney General issued this interim list shops like rtsb compiled their own concealed carry training curriculum they included some police training Basics like drawing from a holster but they deliberately omitted others that are on the Attorney General's List like hitting a Target that's 25 yards away we took out the 25 five yard qualification you know in New Jersey I think that if you were in a self-defense situation it's not going to be at 25 yards and we wanted something that would be Court defensible another new requirement that's drawn fire from 2A Advocates being able to switch a gun over to your non-dominant or support hand and then hit a Target at 15 yards how often has there been a shooting by a civilian where he had to utilize the support hand because it is a dominant or his the primary hand you know no longer function I don't know the owners at rtsp say there are ongoing discussions with New Jersey State Police that will undoubtedly result in tweaks to these requirements to make them more civilian oriented now that they're sitting down they're kind of reworking it and rethinking about it certain things are going to come into play offhand shooting kneeling things that are really meant for law enforcement met in a tactical situation is not a self-defense situation in ordinary citizens shouldn't be acting like a police officer just because they're carrying a handgun and yet the state is imposing a requirement that you have to be trained like a police officer what's clearly an attempt to suppress the right and to deter and prevent people from exercising their fundamental rights attorney Dan schmutter's adding objections to the attorney general's interim training standards to the federal lawsuit already filed contesting other concealed carry restrictions enacted in New Jersey the state police had no comment on pending litigation neither did the Attorney General so I'm not going to comment on their claims there's a statutory requirement to have this training and we'll defend it in court I think our track record of defending our firearm safety laws has been pretty good including against these plaintiffs back at rtsp customers are calling to sign up for concealed carry classes you might say the official standards at this point are sort of a moving Target in Union I'm Brenda Flanagan NJ Spotlight News [Music]